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Sandy
 
Joined in 2007
January 27, 2008, 10:53

ok well I don’t think this conversation can go any further since you are right my argument rests on the premis that the bible is true and yours rests on the premis that it isn’t… It was fun while it lasted though.



magsdee
Disabled
Joined in 2006
January 27, 2008, 12:42

I actually have my identity in Christ and base it on him not on my orientation, that is all a part of who I am. It doesnt matter if someone understands that or not, all I know is I want to be like Him in who he was to people. I do feel connecting with God is possible for anyone but its us humans that spoil it usually from happening.



Sandy
 
Joined in 2007
January 27, 2008, 13:24

Well I guess you feel you can have the best of both worlds in light of pro-gay theology, I certianly understand the appeal.



Liberation Rob
 
Joined in 2007
January 28, 2008, 10:30

you know Sandy…. I remember a sort of quote – that I can’t say off by heart, but it goes something like – “I don’t worship the bible, I merely follow Christ”


it’s a problem you fundies have – in the end, it limits your experience with God 🙄



Sandy
 
Joined in 2007
January 28, 2008, 11:23

So where exactly does our knowledge of Christ come from? Unfortunatly for me I have not had the kind of mind-blowing subjective experience of God where he comes in a burning bush or at all… All I know of Christ comes from the bible, the bible is indeed the story of Christ from Genesis to Revelation. I know no other way of learning of him. Maybe the bible does limit our knowledge of Christ, it seems that we would not be able to fit a complete vision of Christ into a book with little over a thousand pages. But I have been studying it for about two years now and I am no where near figuring it out, each reading is a new revelation of the character of Christ. I have yet to reach the ‘limit’ the bible sets in knowledge of Christ.


I appreciate that some people do experience God on a more subjective level, that the relationship is more personal and one-on-one, esepically it seems within the charasmatic tradition. I guess what I don’t get is how people can consider they know God at all, He is so ‘other’ to me so unlike me and my relationship with Him is based more on a awe and serventhood than on friendship. I believe the bible to be God’s word but even if I didn’t and it was just a random collection of writing by people who believe they came into contact with God I would probably give it almost as much status. I find it so difficult to grasp God, to understand Him, to relate to Him that I am greateful to anyone who seems to have done so and can teach me how.


I am so thankful that I was born in a country where the bible is freely avalible because I doubt I would have any kind of relationship with Jesus without it. I may have still believed but there would be no emotional connection. Maybe this is why I have never given pro-gay theology more than an academic interest because largely and fundamentally it rests on an individual experience or knowledge about God that is not found in the bible, something that seems foreign to me. The majority of people I have spoken to do not make the pro-gay decision based on a theoretical understanding of the ‘homosexual passages’ as something other than they first appear or have been taught. Most people experience God, they ‘know’ its ok with God not because the bible says so but because God says so. What can I say except if its all true then they are very lucky but until God says its ok to me and for me I only have the bible to go from, and the bible overwealmingly is of the opinion that its no ok.



magsdee
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January 28, 2008, 14:11

It would be interesting to see how homosexuality is actually viewed. Is it seen as a sexual deviance, lustful form of sex and rebellion or I guess I could state a number of things. I dont see homosexuality as a promiscuous for of sex or sexual rebellion or something that because it pleases the eye I have to pounce on it kindve thing. If I wanted to have th best of both worlds (Jesus/homosexuality) then I would be out their having flings all over the place, thats what my physical body and head would want to do (or did want to do) but I have boundaries set by what I believe God wants for me, monogamy, love, respect in my dealing on a close level with a person. My r/ship with my g/f is far from pornographic or even that interesting to anyone outside the both of us. I know I will always have a say in regards to posts and such and engage in debates and such but people slinging out at us for being believers and gay/lez is getting boring and tiring, so many times the assumptions that are made3 are based on what they hear or have seen maybe a few do without taking into account everyone on an individual basis. Anyone can talk from their head or from a book, that was Jesus point, the Jews of the day who walked uprightly according to law slung word, verse and even ink type all over the joint and missed the whole point being made. I hope we dont end up in the same place as them, basically missing the point.



Sandy
 
Joined in 2007
January 28, 2008, 16:09

Was that dirrected at me? If it was then I wasn’t trying to imply you were promiscious, far from it! I think ‘the best of both worlds’ implies monogomy anyway without even needing to bring Christianity into it. Most people heterosexual and otherwise would agree that the love, companionship etc that you described is better than casual sex in the long run. What I meant by that comment was you feel you are able to be a Christian and at the same time love, respect and be in a relationship with another woman, to me they are two of the ‘best’ aspects anyone can have in their life, God and a fufilling romantic relationship. Thats all I meant, you do have the best of both worlds, I wasn’t trying to be sarcastic.


I wasn’t trying to have a go at you, or suggest that you believe what you do because its convienient, for some people I would say that that is true of their ‘faith’ but I know you and I know it took alot of soul searching to get where you are today. I believe that you are truely convinced that your decisions are ok with God because I know you wouldn’t have made them if you didn’t. I guess I don’t have that assurance so I have to go from whats written in books, namely the bible and like I said I’m not even close to figuring it out.



magsdee
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Joined in 2006
January 28, 2008, 17:30

No silly roll not directed at you at all, just some people who assume its all about sex for us. You are a silly sausage arent you 8)

I am no where near figuring it all out myself, I fly by the seat of my pants called faith in awe of the mystery of God and trying to always be humble before him.

If someone isnt comfortable exploring their sexuality and beliefs I would never try and convince them to do anything but be where they are at, its such a personal journey the one we have with God and he seems to only reveal as much as we are ready to digest or be able to digest, regarding anything, even revelation about people we love I have found, even though it floored me it didnt destroy me, I was actually ready according to him but just got stretched growth wise.

I dont aim anything at anyone on here, I just voice out what I want to say triggered by whatever was spoken at the time. Id still choose you to decide on which pasta tastes best wink



Sandy
 
Joined in 2007
January 28, 2008, 22:47

Ah we still have a true friendship then, if you still consider me a pasta genius 😆 You’ll have to invite me to dinner next time I’m in Australia and cook for me, I’d cook but the coinciding trip to the ER might not be appreciated 😉


I’m glad your comments weren’t dirrected at me, it just seemed like a random tangent to go on I guess. I do that all the time, I think I might be a bad influence 😆



magsdee
Disabled
Joined in 2006
January 29, 2008, 14:08

lol Random tangents are a womans second best friend wink (have no idea what the first is but thought it sounded good shock) Youre on for dinner for sure, Trish does a great bbq so its either that or pasta, will be your choice.


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