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Anthony Venn-Brown
 
Joined in 2005
August 31, 2007, 07:15

Listen…..now there’s a good idea Nick…..hehe. I remember how hard it was to do that …….the other voices were so loud……..when they all died down…..the other voice came through…….”you’re ok”


If you are in Australia Nick……All major and independent booksellers should have it or can order it in. If in the US Barnes and Noble and Amazon.com


let me know if you have any difficulties.



sloopy312
 
Joined in 2007
August 31, 2007, 12:33

Hi Nick,

I noticed your post and it struck a chord. I am a former Baptist pastor and seminary instructor. I later joined the AOG where I was very active for 20 years. They asked if I would consider ordination but I said “no”.

I have been married to a most beautiful woman for over 30 years. It’s a long story which I have posted on my My Space; but, to make it short I finally came out at age 59.

I have had strong gay feelings since I can remember, but I honestly thought that I just had these unwanted feelings and could not really be gay as that was against God’s will.

I did everything in my power to rid myself of these feelings and almost took my life. It was through some gay Christians at a James Dobson anti-gay rally held in Seattle, through a Gangster Disciple who surrendered his colors to me, and the worry of a mom over her gay son that the Lord used to convict me to come out.

It was a time of freedom in the Lord but also a time of fear in what others might say. I loved my Lord and my church.

At first I only came out to those I felt I should, but most were on the internet.

What is almost strange was that the first year I came out I was allowed to prevent four youth from committing suicide. One was only 12 and he was brought to me by his friend of 13.

I feel a tremendous sense of responsibility to those who trust me. I was a leader in the AOG and considered one of their evangelists and a mentor to others, including other pastors. I would rather die a thousand deaths than lead one astray and so my coming out and accepting myself as gay was, and sometimes still is, a hard decision. I could have kept my mouth shut and avoided a lot of trouble.

I am now out to everybody. My wife has stayed with me but my church-a new pastor- excluded me even though I am faithful to my wife.

What has allowed me to become more assured of God’s love with each passing day?

1. I have seen the tremendous hurt in our gay Christian youth who feel rejected by God, their church, and some their family. And for those who don’t come out they hear how homosexuality is an abomination and those who are gay are worthy of eternal damnation. I helped a 16 year old girl who tried to burn herself to death because she didn’t want to be a lesbian. Her story is awesome on how we both blessed one another.

2. I know that I have honestly done everything that I could, and the Bible prescribes for to become ungay. I confessed my desires to the church, I prayed, I was anointed, I fasted, I claimed victory, and I abstained from gay activity-but I was still , had those unwanted gay feelings.

3. I know that God doesn’t make mistakes and is honest to His being. So I either had to admit that God was just “playing” a cruel joke on me or that gay was OK with God. The latter was leading me to a point where I would wind up hating God for His uncaring.

4. Since I have come out I have been allowed to help many youth and others out of depression or suicidal feelings. Most were Christians but some were not.

5. I began to study the Bible more closely on those passages which seem to condemn homosexual orientation [when in fact they do not]. If the story of Sodom is interpreted as usual, then God doesn’t come out as looking to holy. Also read books by Mel White, Shelby Spong etc. Read scientific articles. Learn the truth behind “Dr. Cameron” and the AFA and Reparative Therapy.

6. Read all of Romans chapter 1. We are told that it condemns us who are gay. But after you read it ask yourself if you are like the person described in verses 18-32.

7. This may sound heretical, but even if those verses used to condemn us, did in fact condemn us, then I would have to ask God if those were His words or the words of man.

8. This is your journey and no one else’s and so, with God’s guidance, only do what you feel is right. This is your business, your coming out and your life.

9. Finally understand this:

1 Tim. 4:10, For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

Romans 8:33-39, 33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth.

34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.


35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?


36As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.


37Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.


38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,


39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


God bless you my friend,


blaine



Anthony Venn-Brown
 
Joined in 2005
August 31, 2007, 13:09

Hey Blaine…….would you like to post your story in a separate post in this section. It would be helpful if you could could put denomination background and gender in the subject line….and age if you are happy with that.


Nick…..can we change the heading of yours for you…..like suggested above……it might help others relate to your story…..when they are searching for some answers. up to you buddy.



Nick
 
Joined in 2007
August 31, 2007, 13:36

sure avb. i dont know what you mean but go ahead 🙂



magsdee
Disabled
Joined in 2006
August 31, 2007, 15:20

I would definately recommend Anthonys book Nick…gave me a whole different perspective on a few things and in no way distanced me from God. I was amazed at the fact that God allows us quite a lot of slack and never once isnt at work in some way in that time. He slowly draws us back to him, with building up of trust in him that he will not smite us, when we feel the most shame is when he wants us the most with him. Adam and Eve were ashamed and hid, all God wanted was that they not hide I feel, I often wonder what wouldve happened had they been in the open about what had happened? Guess we will never know. Like the prodigal, no matter what we have done or what we feel, God is waiting for us with arms wide and an ear to listen. Just come.



Anthony Venn-Brown
 
Joined in 2005
August 31, 2007, 15:23

I”ve PM’d you the info Nick



Nick
 
Joined in 2007
September 2, 2007, 09:56

Hi AVB


You mentioned in your earlier post that you have a monthly get togethers? can i have more info? Sounds beneficial



Anthony Venn-Brown
 
Joined in 2005
September 2, 2007, 11:07

well done nick….you’ve changed your heading successfully.


we have our Sydney get together this Friday…..always first friday of the month. APEC is on but we will have a dinner for those who can make it.


email [email protected] and we’ll make sure you get all the info. it will be great to say hi.



Nick
 
Joined in 2007
September 3, 2007, 12:40

Thanks for the info AVB. I cant make it this friday night as I will be busy but next month perhaps.

Would like to meet new people



Anthony Venn-Brown
 
Joined in 2005
September 3, 2007, 13:29

please email me at [email protected]


then i can make sure you are on the list.


thanks


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