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OutPentecostal
 
Joined in 2006
May 4, 2007, 18:51

we’re all free to share our thoughts here – that’s one of the gr8 things about f2b.


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Craig_Maynard
 
Joined in 2007
May 17, 2007, 01:11

You know… its funny that we tell God what he can and can’t do by our beliefs and when he doesn’t heal the way we wanted we feel rejected. God heals all the time… everyday, we just don’t see it at all. Take a minute of your life and just say thank you… it doesn’t have to be specfic because there are so many things we can be thankful about.


Sometimes I feel awful because I don’t give God enough credit or thanks. Sometimes we never relaly realise just how much we hurt a loving God too… but on the other hands when we do something for the least of us… God feels pride in us… sometimes I ask God does the pride helps ease a sad heart. God hasn’t answered that question… I think I know that God is touched. Anyway, Im going to bed to sleep off a cold… hmmmm good night.


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Darlo
 
Joined in 2005
May 17, 2007, 10:29

HI Craig


Thanks for your reply but I have to be honest and say it really doesn’t answer my original question.


If God heals and it happens all around us why is it so hard to see? Why would he make it difficult to see? Why hide something so good?


It is inadequate to assume he heals and then thank/praise him like some aging grandparent. Your reply sounds like, “He just does heal so be thankful”. I asked for evidence, proof that a living God is real and heals.


Your belief sounds mindless – not well thought through. Perhaps you could try again and see what you discover about your own beliefs. Is what you believe well founded and if so upon what?



Yowee
 
Joined in 2005
May 25, 2007, 16:42

So how are you dealing with your HIV status now? Great! Living with HIV has become such a blessing as it has given me purpose knowing that time is important so make it count. I’m starting a HIV support group through my work place and I’m loving it, working and helping people deal with their HIV status and seeing the hope in people after talking to me.


is God going to heal anyone of HIV? Don’t know, I can’t speak for God, you ask Him.


It’s a real question for a number of guys living with HIV. Are you one?


Hope you can tackle it. Yes I can.


If he doesn’t heal anyone of HIV, why not? Don’t know, you ask Him. Who says He doesn’t? Why do they say that? What are they wanting to hide from you?


What does God think about HIV? Don’t know, you ask Him. No man knows God’s thoughts as His thoughts are higher than ours. If I was God, I would think…this happened because of their own doing and now these humans are going to blame Me.


Why are you so critical? You sound like your hurt, bitter and resentful.



Darlo
 
Joined in 2005
May 25, 2007, 18:17

Hi Yowee


For some one who has a support group you certainly don’t provide any answers, comfort or support … think I will pass by your kind of Christian love


Such glib answers!


Are thare any Christians that can provide thoughtful, well considered answers?



magsdee
Disabled
Joined in 2006
May 25, 2007, 19:21

The one answer I will give regarding healing from God is this, I do know people who have been healed miraculously by God, some were instant healings others happened over a period of time and from a Doctors perspective they shouldnt have.

Personally I am going through a gradual healing in my own body ) of something that just doesnt normally recover the way it has been. Regardless of what skeptics say or think, I know it and it is evident and it has come through the laying on of hands and my own faith combined with the faith of others and also practical things as well.

Why some people dont get well completely or at all is a mystery to me and I dont believe there is a clear cut answer all I know is that unless I had the hope that I have and just kept trusting that things would change I would not be in the position I am today. To say God doesnt heal or help anyone at all, well just isnt true, just cause we havent personally experienced something or recognise where God has helped, doesnt mean that it doesnt happen. (My response is not a response to your question Darlo, just me adding my own opinion based on experience)



magsdee
Disabled
Joined in 2006
May 25, 2007, 19:36

Was just wondering Darlo, why are you so specific on wanting to know if God heals the hiv infected? I can possibly surmise why but would rather hear it from you?


I personally believe Jesus makes no differentiation between what/who he heals and what/who he doesnt. Bible says he healed all who came to him, that he bore all our sicknesses and diseases and there is no list of what they are since i guess all means all. why we dont see more healings of everything, i dont know, as i wrote before there is no anwer to that. By giving people hope that they could recover or just hope in general, many times has prolonged the lives of many patients and seriously ill people, were they angry that they ended up eventually on their death bed? many do say no, they were glad to get the time they got no matter how much extra it was. God doesnt hate gay people and hiv is not a punishment of gay men. The church is very wrong and has been wrong in spreading such an untruth.



Craig_Maynard
 
Joined in 2007
May 26, 2007, 01:24

HI Craig


Thanks for your reply but I have to be honest and say it really doesn’t answer my original question.


If God heals and it happens all around us why is it so hard to see? Why would he make it difficult to see? Why hide something so good?


It is inadequate to assume he heals and then thank/praise him like some aging grandparent. Your reply sounds like, “He just does heal so be thankful”. I asked for evidence, proof that a living God is real and heals.


Your belief sounds mindless – not well thought through. Perhaps you could try again and see what you discover about your own beliefs. Is what you believe well founded and if so upon what?


I never intended to answer your question. I believe you already know the answer – its right infront of you but you keep missing it. So I am just going to sit back and relax and just smile.


When I was younger I used to ask God that if he loved the world so much then why are there so many many people dying in the most saddest and horrible ways, why are there massive wars, diseases etc. etc…. then one day I was reading something and I read someone else saying that… it was Bob Hawke and how he became an athiest – it was his father who was an Anglican Minister – who tried to explain the whys and I remember saying to God that I was so sorry for what I said to him. I learnt that everyone has a freewill… we are all going to die regardless and that life is too short to worry.


I know that I can do my bit by sponsoring overseas, supporting children who neglected, doing good in my job in Behaviour Intervention Support… I can pray and have the knowledge that things will happen according to my prayers.


My belief of healing… ok let me tell you something he did for me. Growing up Deaf I was never allowed to go out… I was always fearful. I would never venture on my own. I had this massive fear of doing anything on my own, fear was my middle name. I was always frightened. At 19 years old… after giving my life to Jesus… I started to go for Prayer Counselling… anyway, I remembered that my pastor was praying with me and seeking the Holy Spirit guidances on what needs to happen in my life… bit like opening doors into areas of my life for healing. The pastor was called away and I just sat back into the chair and closed my eyes… relaxing. I experience a vision… Jesus was there before me holding his hand out… and I reached out to him and together we walked down this long long coridor… till we came to this door… I remember freezing up and looking at Jesus like… I really don’t want to go there… Jesus has this calm look on his face… it was so encouraging and he just opened the door… and it was my bedroom when I was about 3 years old and sitting on that bed was the three year old me… looking so lonely and confused. Jesus sat down next to the three year old me… picked him up, and put him on his lap and was interacting with the three year old me… I was so tense… shocked to the core… repulsed… Jesus looked to me and gestured to come over next to him… no way… I just felt so much hatred toward this 3 year old me… Jesus stood up still carrying the three year old and basically thrusted this kid into my arm… I was so shocked and the next thing that happened was that I was hugging this little kid and crying. That was healing. Jesus went into my past and he healed every single moment right up to my 19th year and wiped every single hurt, pain, confusion – basically healing every moment… just flooded me completely. When I came around my pastor was sitting infront of me… asking me what on earth happened – he could see massive work was happening – I was so out. When I went to get up I felt so light and so free, like a huge weight lifted from me… this feeling was beautiful… I got home and everyone in the family stopped to stare at me… I could not work out what were they staring at… I decided to take the dog for a walk and went walking for hours up the road (we lived in Catherine Field) and around and back… this was late afternoonish like 7pm to 9 pm.


This is the sort of thing you would not see. You’d have to know my history and know me and then see the different me… this is the sort of miracles you are missing. I’ve gone onto better things and have had a fascinating journey with God.


If you stop being so critical and start being thankful to God for anything, God might just show you a small miracle. The fact that the tree out front of my house is so big and gorgeouse inspite of the huge drought we have had… compared to all the houses next to us and around… a miracle that this tree continue to grow and florish.


My beliefs are founded on a real experience that has shook the foundation in my life… the prayers and getting answers in the most astonishing way… I ask something and God would get a complete stranger point out a scripture that answers my question 100%. Constant miracles happened… I have seen them before my eyes what happened to a friend who was physically disabled… now only has a slight limp…. I have seen and worked with a man who was so trapped and satanic, into real dark stuff that sends shivers up the spine… so dangerous… and God changed him into a gentle person, he’s life was completely shaken upside down and back to front… he ended up marrying and has three children and still serving the Lord and praising him.


A friend who needed $1598 exact prayed about it, I prayed with her about it… two days later got a cheque refund from the tax department for the amount of $1,600… God included the extra $2.00 for the stamp duty! Just literally floored us!


I could go on but I don’t need to defend or justify. You just gotta find out yourself and when the time is right… things will fall into place for you. I know it will.


Lots of love and hugs.



Yowee
 
Joined in 2005
May 26, 2007, 07:49

Hi Yowee


For some one who has a support group you certainly don’t provide any answers, comfort or support … think I will pass by your kind of Christian love


Such glib answers!


Are thare any Christians that can provide thoughtful, well considered answers?


Hi Andrew


You are entitled to your views and I respect your views, just as I am to mine.


My support group isn’t there for me to provide answers to every question people have (teacher – student relationship). My support group is there to provide a safe place, a non judgemental environment where people have the freedom to find the answers for themselves. I’m not the expert, we all are experts. I can learn from you and you can learn from me as we share our experiences with each other.


I think Anthony wrote it at the end of his book….It’s not what I believe that matters; it’s what you believe that matters and counts here.


You sound like a HIV+ Christian who is hurt, please let me or someone help you.



Craig_Maynard
 
Joined in 2007
May 26, 2007, 23:44

😯 opps.


What an insenstitive person I have become. God does heal, that much I do know… God can’t heal something because we made a mistake but God can turn our mistakes into something beautiful – if we let God.


I only hope that my comment or response hasn’t turned you off God.


Thank you Yowie for this was meant to be a congratulation and also that I’m inspired by your positive response to your situation. I too, look forward to your book and what you teach will have far reaching impact on lives.


Thank you.


Craig.


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