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jenaz
 
Joined in 2007
September 26, 2007, 16:17

Dad returned to the Uniting Church (in the Blue Mountains) about 8 years ago when the church in his area made it clear that they were inclusive to all. The church of course lost a few memebrs – the ones Cairo that endorse the ‘clober’ verses in the bible – but largely the congregation endorsed the approach. There are both gay and lesbain members of the church. They are an integral part of the functioning of the church. It is a small congragation – 100-150 I guess – an ‘older’ congregation -and are very progressive in nature. I’m not sure of the official philosophy of the church, but just know that it is not an issue. dad says the minister isn’t always worth listening to, but the congregations inclusive nature makes it a haven of safety for many. I wish I had a church like it to go to.

when my student has her assignment back to me I will share her findings. They will be interesting as most of her primary research was carried out at school – mostly christain students. much to her parents distress, she is a huge advocate for the rights of G and L, and has a big impact on the opinions held by her classmates. She has managed to totally turn around the biggest homophobic in her year group. That makes teaching very satisfying for me.



magsdee
Disabled
Joined in 2006
September 26, 2007, 17:13

Wow, thats quite a feat to turn the biggest homophobe around, I reckon Gods got big plans for this student. There is so much we can learn from youth, many times, would love to hear what she has to say and what she said. Is the church you speak of the “open doors” one? if you cant say thats ok.



jenaz
 
Joined in 2007
September 26, 2007, 17:56

no its not the ‘open door’ one. It is in Glenbrook.



magsdee
Disabled
Joined in 2006
September 26, 2007, 19:22

Okies cool ) , thanks Jenaz.



Cairo
 
Joined in 2007
September 26, 2007, 20:50

Hi Jenaz

Thanks for the information you have given me from those two websites and also the information about your father’s church. I was in shock for a minute when you said the Uniting Church in the Blue Mountains. I automatically thought Katoomba. You wouldn’t believe it but my parents were the (lay) pastors of the (then) Methodist Church in Katoomba for 12 months. Once they got the congregation growing and passionate because of the moving of the Holy Spirit, the powers that be decided they needed a ‘proper ordained’ minister there and didn’t renew my parents agreement. They were very hurt over that as were the people. So for a minute I thought you were talking about that church, but then you mentioned Glenbrook and I realised it wasn’t.

But I still think it is amazing that such an older congregation can be so inclusive. I wonder how it all started. If you ever learn more about the way it progressed I would love to hear the story.


blessings


Cairo



nutralady2001
 
Joined in 2006
October 1, 2007, 04:23

Have been on this forum for a while and I too am from an AOG church For years I thought homosexuality was a choice/ people didn’t have enough faith if they didn’t change and am ashamed to say that I thought the AIDS virus was Gods’ punishment on those who were homosexual ( as was preached from the pulpit)


I have known Tony for nearly 35 years and it’s thanks to the internet that we found each other again


One day out of curiosity I googled his name.We had lost contact although had seen him again around 1991 when he presented a teaching seminar at my church


Well about 4 pages came up and in amazement I read all the articles. From there I emailed him and bought his book ( the first edition and now have the second.)


I could not believe what he had been through and this changed my perspective. If it was a choice as I had believed why would anyone go through what he did by “coming out”


Some choice!


I also have another story for another day (not related to Tony lol) which I will tell it’s nearly 4.00am here couldn’t sleep but am about to go back to bed


God bless xx



jenaz
 
Joined in 2007
October 16, 2007, 19:42

Last time I posted I mentioned an assignment that one of my students was doing – can you be gay and christian? Some said they were interested in her results, so…..here are some of the findings from her IRP. The research is only based on about 50 respondents from year 11 and 12 (from a rural Christian school and a western sydney christian school), so findings are not what researcher’s would class as valid, but they are interesting just the same.


are you a Christian?

59% yes, 35% no, 6% unsure


are you homosexual? (females)

6% yes, 88% no, 6% unsure


Homosexual tendencies? (females)

17% yes, 71% no, 12% unsure


are you homosexual? (males)

14% yes, 71% no, 15% unsure


Homosexual tendencies? (males)

7% yes, 71% no, 15% unsure, 7% didn’t answer this question.


Do you know a homosexual? (females)

76% yes, 18% no, 6% unsure.


Do you know a homosexual Christian? (females)

29%yes, 47% no, 24% unsure.


Do you know a homosexual? (males)

71% yes, 14%no, 15% unsure.


Do you know a homosexual Christian? (males)

21% yes, 57% no, 29% unsure


Are homosexuals accepted in your religious community? (females)

12% no, 18% yes, 35% unsure, 39% didn’t know


Are homosexuals accepted in your religious community? (males)

8% yes, 21% no, 50% unsure, 21% didn’t answer the question


Could you personally accept a homosexual Christian? (females)

35% yes, 12% no, 18% unsure, 6% didn’t answer question.


Could you personally accept a homosexual Christian? (males)

14% yes, 50% no, 36% unsure.


Do you think a homosexual can be a Christian? (females)

41% yes, 29% no, 29% unsure


Do you think a homosexual can be a Christian? (males)

7% yes, 57% no, 29% unsure, 7% no answer.



magsdee
Disabled
Joined in 2006
October 16, 2007, 23:18

This is certainly very interesting, thankyou for letting us know. Its amazing how much more flexible the girls are to the boys but not surprising.



Anthony Venn-Brown
 
Joined in 2005
October 17, 2007, 10:07

yes interesting little study. …..and demonstrates some significant shifts considering that it was taken in a christian school and in a rural area.


Boys have more of an aversion to homosexuality to girls for a variety of reasons. One being they see it more as a threat to their masculinity where as girls sexuality is more fluid. My guess is that girls will think more about the relationship whereas boys think of the actual act of sex.



jenaz
 
Joined in 2007
November 10, 2007, 08:09

I have just been reading some recent posts in different sections of this forum, and I just wanted to say how much I admire you all. Smetimes I would love to say it to you, but feel a bit of an outsider not being gay – so thought i would pass it on in this thread. I read this post for many reasons – the most important being that I am an advocate for you 100%, and reading your stories makes me a better teacher when dealing with this in th classroom. It helps me also personally. I have a gay cousin, my husband has 3 gay cousins (a set of lesbain twins and gay cousin) and my own cousin has married an ex-gay HIV+ man. They have a child and I know would like more. He was healed by his church of his ‘affliction’ and is now straight. he was 38. I am the only family member who knows of his status, and when she realised that I accepted him as a gay man, she cut me off incase my being a christian that accepted gays should have an effect on him and his healing. anyway, i think you are all the most amazing people, who endure so much, who show us all who God is, and give us all hope.


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