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Anthony Venn-Brown
 
Joined in 2005
April 10, 2007, 23:10

I admire anyone who can get through Boswell……which is a bit of a shame because hsi work is an important one.


USA……lucky you. will we know more…..job? city?



Sandy
 
Joined in 2007
April 11, 2007, 08:11

Hey,


Boswell was actually easier on the second read. He was one of the first books I read on the topic, that was such a bad idea, talk about throwing oneself in the deep end. I think like anything you just need to be really, really interested in the topic. Which I was twelve months ago and not so much now. Hoping that accounts for my laziness 😆 I really hope Craig reads at least some of it though because it’s interesting. I have read various reviews and some are critical of his historical integrity, but then I’m no historian so I really have no idea if he’s right or not. I think with Boswell he’s useful in getting a broad picture, if you start to question the nitty-gritty like I tried to do, you will be there until 2050!


The job is only a temporary one, working for the University of California. Technically I will be doing pretty much what I’m doing here, but it’s a bit of a promotion as America is where all the big stuff happens. And I get to head a team of 25 instead of 10 like I do here…fingers crossed. The woman who was in this position went on maternity leave and they had to outsource the job because apparently there was no one suitable. It has its downfalls, I have to postpone my study and well my family makes the Adams family look functional right now, but hoping the break will do me good. I’m only 95% sure I’m going to go, praying for guidance.


Oh Anthony, you can still send that ageing stuff on to me when you have finished it I have no idea who will be taking over from me but its easy enough to forward it to them from my account so as not to confuse you.



Anthony Venn-Brown
 
Joined in 2005
April 12, 2007, 09:23

sounds like I should get back into Boswell then. I msut admit I find academicspeak really unmotivating.


Currently I’m reading Born Gay.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Born-Gay-Psychobiology-Sex-Orientation/dp/0720612233

I think it is the best book i’ve read on the scientific research that has been done on sexual orientation. when I finish my next book though …..what they say in a book i’ll say in a chapter…..and even more in everyday language that people can understand.


what a wonderful opportunity for you. Have you been to CA before. I can recommend a church there. I’m in regular contact with the pastor. Hi profile preacher and gay.



Sandy
 
Joined in 2007
April 12, 2007, 17:17

Nope I have never even been to the USA before, so it’s all pretty exciting. My sister actually lives over there, in New York and I’m spending a week or so with her before I move on to CA. So she will be able to point me in the general dirrection of a church, if she remembers what one looks like. I’m sure you will forgive me if I decline your offer to attend a pro-gay church.


I’ve read Born Gay, and well… it says exactly what all the rest of them say, just with more jargon. It’s amazing how many times the same ideas can be reproduced by a different person and a different book cover and they all seem to make money… I guess it makes sense that you can make money telling people what they want to hear. Just look at Kenneth Copeland. 🙄



Anthony Venn-Brown
 
Joined in 2005
April 12, 2007, 17:26

its actually a ‘normal’ church Sandy. Most people would not even know thier positon.


I’ll PM the link to you…..I may have given you the wrong impression of what its really like.


you’ll be able to get a clearer idea from that.



Craig_Maynard
 
Joined in 2007
April 12, 2007, 21:43

Craig, how’s Boswell comming along? You actually inspired me to re-read him as well, I got 70 pages in and started to space out lol, hopefully yu are more dedicated than me. 😉 Let me know how it goes. Also I have accepted a job working in the USA and I leave in three weeks time!! 8) So your prayers for safe travel and the ability to speak “American” and eat jelly donuts for breakfast would be helpful.


Giggles… I am waiting for it… a good friend of mine saw it on the coffee table where I put it while cooking dinner and cleaning… came back and found him engrossed into the book 😆 …. sigh … I had only just bought it because the title looks interesting… then this mate of mine won’t put it down… he is a geek and loves all kinds of books… so will let him finish it and then read it myself… I can’t read it while others are reading it… smile. Will let you know how I go… aparently my friend felt a little bit empowered reading the book… I want what he has! Smile. He’s become a bit more assertive than before so that’s an intersting trait to observe considering the pre and post of that book… hmmmm sigh… its just the waiting game so in the mean time… I am just twiddling my thumb and reading this discussion and responding 😕 . Its a big book… will I get it back like a couple of weeks time?


Ta for asking.


Craig.



Sandy
 
Joined in 2007
April 12, 2007, 23:39

Sounds good, send your thoughts via email to me too so I’ll be sure to recieve them as I will be in the USA very soon. [email protected]

waiting in anticipation… 😉



magsdee
Disabled
Joined in 2006
October 15, 2007, 16:39

I was wondering for the last while, what is it that stops us from feeling close to God or Jesus once we do accept our orientation? I know the many answers that have come through such as fear, rejection or hurt but what are they? Is it the church or God that we are angry with or fear? Is it the church and people that we are angry with or fear? Were we confident of Gods unconditional love for us not based on works or personality before we came out or took on our orientation? I believe this could be an interesting subject and one that could help bring possible paths to healing.



oooooo
 
Joined in 2006
October 15, 2007, 19:17

I have heard it said that the way we feel since accepting our orientation and staying or returning to a relationship with God is somewhat detemined by our original upbringing in christendom.


Perhaps one was brought up in the church as a child etc or found faith for the very first time as an adult. Where and who you were amongst at that time determines alot.


This pastor said that is was like you received the dna of that church, and to a lesser extent the movement/denomination. I know that for me, I was raised in a conservative christian household, not so godly however, dad was a very abusive man, and I walked away from the church, but still had some connection that God, knew he was real etc.


When i got ‘saved’ at 22, it was in a conservative AOG church. I found, even years later, that my upbringing as a child and then my spiritual event of getting ‘saved’ in such a church that i did, had profound affects on my mind/attitude etc. I am not sure if that makes sense to anyone.


This pastor believed that where and how you became ‘baptized in the Holy Spirit – tongues’ said alot about your walk with God and your relationship/connection with the church. He maintained that if you received the gift in a church meeting with someone praying for you that it would determine quite a bit of your life as a christian. I received mine riding my pushbike to work one morning LOL


I am not saying i totally agree with him, but he pointed out some remarkable traits that i have. I can find nowhere in the bible thus far that can support this pastors theory, but what he said about me, before he knew where and how i received the Holy Spirit was amazing.



magsdee
Disabled
Joined in 2006
October 15, 2007, 20:51

Thats really interesting, how cute to receive your baptism on a pushy wink I received my water baptism in Dee Why beach surf pool after I was saved. The dna of your church can for sure stick with you, you could always tell a person that came from my church usually lol…I remember even thinking unless you went to “my” church then you just werent getting it right lol Even one girl I knew from Hillsong used to try and get me to go there because where I went was looked down upon. Yet its a well known church.


I had some great foundations laid in the church I came from and lots of Holy Ghost moves. We were all taught to be sensitive to the move of the spirit and grounded in the word with that. Even though I have battled with certain things, the one thing I never battle with, is the Lordship of Jesus Christ and him being the way to the Father.


I guess my upbringing as a Catholic maybe helped but I have always had a connection with God even as a child. In recent times, being the last 10yrs, I without a doubt know Jesus is and has been with me and has never left me and even more recently know he loves me as I am in my walk as a christian lesbian and all the trials that can come with that.


Its true tho, the church you are raised in plays a big part on your outlook on life and of yourself and they are not always correct. Amazing how theirs one bible yet so manyyyyyy variations from church to church, I wish Jesus was here so to hear what he would say.


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