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Joined in 2005
May 13, 2010, 10:34

I’ve been getting these messages in Facebook from a person I used to go to church with long years ago. Now he is married and is doing his PhD and I’m drained emotionally, please HELP me.

Hey Johann, long time no hear… and I see that you’re still banging away on your pro gay drum. Mate, I am concerned about you and in particular, your last comment “The ones who are the most anti gay are the ones that seem to be gay themselves and are fighting “the good fight” instead of accepting themselves for who they are and living at peace with themselves.” Chum that is not only an improper use of scripture (fighting the good fight would be to resist sin and trust God not embrace sin and reject God) but this statement also rejects the very reason for Christ’s death and resurrection.

Johann, after I walked away from the church (not Jesus) I went on a rampage, beating people up, hospitalising them and loved every minute of it! I loved to shed blood (anyone’s) and get it on my clothing – it was like a trophy to me… Now if I took on your same mindset “just accept yourself for the way you are” then folk would be in constant danger of being beaten up whenever I felt like lashing out… But that WAS the way I was…. why should I change…? Because it was ungodly and unpleasing to the Lord, it was the work of Satan and opposed the work of the cross, just like homosexuality. What about others such as murders, drug pushers, rapist or those that sexually abuse children…? Now we are getting closer to home… They too could say “accept me for the way that I am.” That mindset is idolatry, where “they” determined what is right in “their” own mind!

Remember when Israel did that, recorded in the book of Judges; do you remember what God said about it…? Johann, 20 years ago homosexuality was classed in the same way as child pornography being unnatural, corrupt and illegal, yet through our immorality, it is accepted (by some anyway). I wonder whether in another 10 or 20 years, child sex will also be legalised too. Would that then make it right? Of course not!

Johann, the scriptures are clear about who God is and His requirements, so I promise you, God did not say to you “accept yourself for who you are;” that was rather a demon. Anything that goes against God’s word is of the spirit of antichrist. God said “accept My Son…” and to truly do that we must also accept His word FULLY. The church and neither I condemn you, but rather warn LOUDLY.

Believing me ole mate, you do not want to go to Hell; to make such a statement only proves that you know nothing about it. I would not be living my life, taking the change that I may not enter glory for ANY sin or for ALL the pressures of this world… not on your life! This life is way too short and eternity is way too long and Hell is way too hot to play that Russian roulette (games with God)! You don’t have to “hope” that you’ll enter heaven, for you can “know” and be with Jesus on that day, but first you must accept Him FULLY. Jesus isn’t coming back for the lukewarm or fence sitters (those that practise sin). And there will be no surprises in regards to homosexuals on that day either… scripture is very very clear. Your last statement, “let him without the first sin…” is misquoted. We all have fallen short, yes, and we have all missed the mark… that is why we need Jesus and that is why we MUST break away from our sin (stop practising sin). No one is throwing stones Johann, but rather warning… The choice is yours, just don’t be deceived about the consequences of taking the dark path of practising homosexuality.

Bro, The reason you haven’t been able to overcome this sin is because you are inflicted by a demonic spirit! If you want to be free, I’ll fly up there a cast it out. The choice is yours; don’t ever say “you didn’t have a choice, for scripture again says that there will be none with excuse on that day. To hang onto your sin is to commit another…”idolatry” and another “not loving God with all your heart” so if homosexuality won’t cut you off (and it will) these other sins will.

Everything is a choice, like you say, you have made yours. Romans 1:24-27 will be the result if your don’t repent.

So God said, in effect, “If that’s what you want, that’s what you get.” It wasn’t long before they were living in a pigpen, smeared with filth, filthy inside and out. And all this because they traded the true God for a fake god, and worshiped the god they made instead of the God who made them—the God we bless, the God who blesses us. Oh, yes! Worse followed. Refusing to know God, they soon didn’t know how to be human either—women didn’t know how to be women, men didn’t know how to be men. Sexually confused, they abused and defiled one another, women with women, men with men—all lust, no love. And then they paid for it, oh, how they paid for it—emptied of God and love, godless and loveless wretches.

Don’t be deceived Johann.

Bro, how do you say that you are serving and loving God when you denounce Christianity? You say that you’d rather live a life of honesty, however you are not. You say that you are being used by God but you live your life contrary to Scripture. Have you not read Matthew 7:21-23? They too thought that they were living a life pleasing unto God yet God never knew them. And again the Pharisees thought that they were living a life unto God, but Jesus warned them of hell. Their many works would never amount to enough to save them.

BTW, God is not a God that will send you to hell, you choose that path all on your own… you said it yourself “you don’t mind going there and you are choosing to do so.” That being the case, how is it that you blame God?

Johann, do you know one of the main reasons that I left the church…? One night while at Westside a visiting preacher came and was preaching about the Holy Spirit and said “if you have ever blasphemed the Holy Spirit you are going straight to hell!” Sadly that preacher didn’t clarify that statement, probably because he didn’t understand what he was talking about in the first place. What’s worst, I had cursed the Holy Spirit only a few weeks beforehand, knowing nothing of this blasphemy business. After the meeting, under great distress, I asked one of the leaders “how do you know if you have blasphemed the Holy Spirit?” His answer… “Oh you’d know it alright if you have!” Nice one! I went white! That night cost me over 15 years of fear, living my life in fear of going to hell. That’s the danger of folk not being grounded in Scripture, misquoting and misleading others into misery. I lived my life away from the church in fear that I’d hear something of hell “knowing that I was going there.”

Johann, you don’t have to live under the fear of hell, you just have to surrender your life FULLY to God! I envy you that you haven’t lived under the fear of being dammed without hope… you have always had a choice, but you risk being lost because of your sin. Again, God will not go against His Word and His Word is clear on the matter. You are being deceived because you love your sin more than you love God therefore you have exchanged God for a lie. Even God said that He would send strong delusions to those that would not obey Him. God does love you ole mate but that won’t change the outcome of wilful sin. God loved His only Son and even He went to hell to pay for your sin, but if you choose to remain in them, then your rejecting His payment. Obey God’s Word Johann, risking hell for a fleeting sin, regardless of what it is, simply isn’t worth it. Think of it, unending hellfire for a moment of lust! It just doesn’t weigh up.

Re: your caption, I do know who I am… do you know where you are going if you don’t listen? I’m not judging you, but warning. Johann, show me from the Bible where it says that God will accept you in your sin… you should be able too if you are so sure that it won’t cost you your life. Sin cost Jesus His, you can bet your life it will cost you yours! You can delete me, but that won’t change what you have already heard. You stand accountable by that forever. True friends speak the truth. You can repent Johann but you can’t escape. As long as you are hearing this message there is grace enough to change… when the warnings stop then that is when you should be really scared.

Like you say, you have made your choice which blinds you to all truth. You have misquoted the Scripture used and misunderstood my intention as well (I do not hate gays). I guess your eyes will be open “on that day” which will be a great shame.

Joined in 2005
May 13, 2010, 10:38

I sent him the ABC Radio interview from 100 Revs and this was his reply to that…

You put some other clip up once before with Rob Buckingham (pastor of Bayside) giving what you thought then was a message in support of the gay lifestyle. I listened to it and contacted him directly. I told him that folk where using his message to condone homosexuality. He replied by rejecting the notion, that being that he was not in support of any such thing and that he did and does consider sodomy to be a sin. He also said “maybe I should preach another sermon to clarify the first.” Rob was saying that he loves gays, but not the sin!

All true Christians should have the same mind. Sadly you interpret my challenge as being a ‘gay hater’ which is far from truth. If I didn’t care about you Johann I wouldn’t be bothered saying anything, would I? (Not like the rest who watch you fall deeper into darkness…there, there Johann, it’s all right).

Right now you’re under conviction, evident by your latest post “thank you to all my straight friends for your love, support and encouragement at this time.” ‘This time’ being a time of testing and conviction for you; heed its warning! The irony is that it is those “liberals” that won’t warn you of the dangers ahead that DON’T love you as they are all too willing to see you in hell before stepping out of their comfort zone to warn you otherwise


Johann, if you won’t listen to me, then talk with Phil Marshall who is living in Brisbane. You can get him on . I have shown you from the Scriptures that you are facing great danger, I have corrected your own misinterpretation of Scripture and I have challenged you to present a case bases upon Scripture for your defence… you haven’t and can’t, you won’t listen so there is nothing more that I can do. BTW, The Bible is literal contrary to your last comment and it’s warning of hell for all who practise sin is absolute.

Where to from here?

Joined in 2009
May 13, 2010, 11:06

I guess there are two things to consider. 1. Do you want to keep engaging with him- ie is there a benefit to continued engagement or is his engagement with you feeling like harrassment? and 2. Is there a point to continuing to engage with him.

Sometimes a person’s need to prove their point, or conviction of their own rightness blinds them to other points of view, and further enegagement is both futile and counterproductive.

If it is wearing you out emotionally, you might want to consider blocking him on facebook ( for a while…..?) to give yourself some space.

Joined in 2010
May 13, 2010, 11:59

I say this with all Christian love – you’re friend is a jerk!

You’re not demon possessed, you’re loved by God. And the best response to accusatuions like this is to live as faithfully as you can, letting God work through you as you serve others and live in devotion to God.

It is a time of transition for the chruch, and some will move faster than others. But it’s a journey we need to take together – I think you’ll find plenty of support here and more around you than you realise. Take strength from that and be the person God has called you to be!

Anthony Venn-Brown
Joined in 2005
May 13, 2010, 12:53

I say this with all Christian love – you’re friend is a jerk!


Joined in 2010
May 13, 2010, 12:59

a big problem i find with what this guy says is that he says multiple times in there that homosexuality is ” all lust, no love.” which is completely false.

Anthony Venn-Brown
Joined in 2005
May 13, 2010, 13:10

Johann…’ll see that I put your “friends” email in quote so people can see that it is not you speaking. Hope you are okay with that.

Here are my thoughts.

I wouldn’t have bothered responding except with maybe a simple ‘thank you for your thoughts’ .

I had a former high school friend do a similar thing but not quite as vile as your previous friend from church. Although not far off. He is now in some wierd amercian baptist legalistic church that was set up here in Australia.

We engaged in dialogue for a while….I was always repectful……he was always condemnatory. In the end I sent him a final email explaining what I was about to do and why (without long explanations, bible verses or justification)

Then deleted him, blocked him and set up a rule that all emails from him went directly into delete folder so I never actually know if he has emailed me again. I took the power.

Reading what this guy is saying it is obvious that his is dysfunctional, toxic and has major issues. You need to distance yourself from him.

We only have X amount of time and energy………there are much better ways to use our time and energy. Have you noticed the emotions he triggers in you. This is not healthy for you.

Make sure you have the last word ……..take back your power…….then make sure he can’t contact you again and bring his toxicity into your life.

I’m all for dialogue…..but this person is not a dialoguer…….he is a judgmental condemning ‘christian’.

Interesting side note…..the ‘friend’ that I eventually blocked used be part of a group that occasionally ‘played’ together…….this made me wonder if he has some unresolved issues about his sexuality and is now projecting them on others. This is not an uncommon thing. The recent scandals of anti-gay guys in the the religious world getting caught out with male hookers is just another example.

Anthony Venn-Brown
Joined in 2005
May 13, 2010, 13:13

a big problem i find with what this guy says is that he says multiple times in there that homosexuality is ” all lust, no love.” which is completely false.

yep ebby……unfortunately a number in the christian church, because of their ignorance about sexual orientation, always reduce it down to sexual acts…….not love which is more of what our orientation is really all about.

Joined in 2008
May 13, 2010, 20:27

Absolutely agree with AVB. Dialogue is good. This guy is NOT a dialoguer – he is a condemner, an energy-sucker! Do NOT engage him anymore. If you must, block him. Exactly as AVB said, you only have so much energy and certain people don’t deserve to have any of yours.

All the best, Johann.

Joined in 2008
May 13, 2010, 21:55

Yep, I agree with all my fellow freedom2bers.

It’s time to activate that block on your email. Very judgemental and opinionated is your former church goer.

As long as you are comfortable in your own skin with who you are and your relationship with God.

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