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Philip Yancey's address at Gay Christian Network conference in Denver

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Kizza
 
Joined in 2010
January 19, 2011, 07:23

I attended the Gay Christian Network conference in Denver in January with 6 other Australians. It was a great time of Christian fellowship and learning. The keynote speaker was Philip Yancey. He is a well know evangelical Christian author and journalist who has written books including “Whats so amazing about Grace” and “Where is God when it hurts?” I took notes and am posting it below for your infomation:


Philip Yancey was the target of much criticism for attending the GCN conference. But he said – imagine the criticism that gay Christians must get. He asked the question about how should we deal with the divide between those who see homosexuality as a sin and those who see it as an issue of social justice. He said that it would be good as Christians to start on the common ground and then work outwards.

Common ground:

1) We are all flawed, fallen and sinful. We all have desires which are at odds to what God wants from us. From the time of Eden onwards, God has given us the task of ordering our desires.

2) The difference between Christians and non-Christians is that we have a path to forgiveness. Not that we are better at ordering our desires, but that we have a place to go when we fail. Our weakness and struggle may be our greatest spiritual gift as we daily depend on God. Water always flows downwards. Grace like water always flows downwards. Yancey had spoken with a group of prostitutes. Heard their stories of shame, violence and abuse. Jesus talked of them – that the prostitutes and tax collectors would come first in the kingdom of God. By being at the lowest, we cry out to God. She who has been forgiven much loves much. With Grace, people often do not get what they deserve. The more righteous a person seems the more they were threatened by Jesus. For those who are filled with shame and hurt, Jesus is the answer. For God is love. He talked about his friendship with Mel White who worked with high profile evangelicals. When Mel came out, he was called an abomination. It is interesting that his mother said of him “he may be an abomination, but he is still our pride and joy.” God sees us as his pride and joy.

3) Reconciliation. Jesus knew what it was to be oppressed. He spoke with both oppressors and the oppressed. He had hard words for the oppressors but called the oppressed blessed. We live in a polarised world of division. It takes Grace to be around those who oppose you and think differently to you. We are called to be reconciled to those who oppose us. Love is a critical trust in the changeability of the enemy and a mistrust in the certainty of one’s own position. The Church can add to the polarity of society. But it can also take the lead in the way to liberation started by Jesus on the cross. We can learn through family and friends as we try to follow Jesus.

4) The greatest danger is that when we fail, we will feel cast off and rejected by God. He gave the example of Peter who misunderstood the message of the Cross (“get behind me Satan”). He also sank when he tried to walk on water. Ultimately, he denied Jesus 3 times. Then came the reconciliation – Peter do you love me? Then feed my sheep. Peter would have been changed by his failures in the way he treats people.


The less certain ground.

Yancey stated he does not hold an opinion on the issues affecting gay Christians. There are differences within churches and within GCN. The evangelical church needs people in the middle ground working on reconciliation. No “side” will get everything it wants. Both sides need to stretch. Gay Christians believe. Otherwise, why would they get together in worship of God? The Bible is God’s word to us and we need to struggle with what the Bible says to us. Both sides need to engage in dialogue. Chastity outside of marriage is stated in the Bible. But churches should quit the double standard between straights and homosexuals and not worry about same sex marriage, but same marriage sex. Our goal is the beloved community. We may disagree on fundamental issues but be reconciled in the Body of Christ.


Yancey – I have a dream the church will be a place not of differences but of what we have in common. People who are sinners saved by Grace. Black and white, Jew and gentile, gay and straight at the foot of the Cross.” God found a way to bridge the distance between a cosmic God and a sinful us. Surely we can find a way to be in reconciliation with each other.



Kizza
 
Joined in 2010
January 19, 2011, 07:24

Justin Lee is the founder and CEO of Gay Christian Network. The notes of this address are below:


You are the future of the church. You have had to wrestle with difficult questions. Typically questions which involve the faith. The majority of young people see the church as anti-gay. More people are leaving organised religion for a sense of spirituality which make the feel good, but often leaves them cold.

The questions we wrestle with make us humble because we come to realise how much we do not know. God uses what is humble and foolish to change the world. Jesus choose as his disciples those who were no-bodies and even those who were hated (tax collectors).

We have all made plenty of mistakes. We are all sinners. We all have messy lives and issues which we are working on. But God uses us anyway to spread the message of the gospel. We have to represent Christianity to both the LGBT community and the rest of the world.

The woman at the well asks Jesus if she has to worship in a particular place. He responds that worship is in spirit and truth. She was a Samaritan, a group who is hated by the Jews. Yet Jesus found her. Jesus did not approach her with hellfire and brimstone. He offers her living water. He offers to meet her needs. We are called to go out into the world and meet the physical and spiritual needs. We can go to serve and be reconciled.

Jesus teaches on the mountain – blessed are they who hunger, thirsty, mourn. Blessed are the merciful, pure in heart, the peacemakers. Blessed are the persecuted and reviled. We are the salt and light of the world.

Transfiguration of Jesus – God revealed Christ to us during the conference. He reminds us that Elijah and John came before Jesus and were mistreated. We too may be mistreated for speaking out for God.

Parable of the sower – God had put the seed in us. We must not allow the cares of the world to choke us. We are also sowing the seed in the church. Sometimes the seed will not grow and in return we may get hate. We have the task of sowing, but it is not our fault if it does not grow.


There are a number of important issues we need to consider:

1) Transgender issues. We talk a lot about gay/lesbian issues but little about transgender issues. We often feel uncomfortable and do not understand transgender issues. We should talk and hear their stories and show grace to them. God calls for us to love, listen and get to know.


2) Sexual morality. Often we exist between the Christian and gay communities with differing values in regards to sexual morality. We often feel uncomfortable talking about sexual morality. These are things which really matter. If we feel uncomfortable, maybe it is because God is trying to tell us something. Those from the outside often criticise the gay community for our sexuality. Do not let them define us or let us define ourselves by our sexuality. We are much more than that.


3) We need to consider how we bridge the divide between side A and side B. Those who are side A need to honour those who are side B and build bridges.


4) Ex-gays. We know of people who have walked away from their faith or are trapped in loveless marriages because of the ex-gay ministry. But there are good Christians there and we need to show love to them and not mock them.


5) Outreach to the straight community. Reach out to the church, build bridges, get more straight folks involved and at the conference.


6) In America now, the new scapegoat are the Muslims. We as Christians have certain exclusive claims for the truth and there are things in Islam which we don’t believe. But these differences do not absolve our need to love them. It is our responsibility to love them. It is our responsibility to show Christ’s love to non-Christians especially to those that society treats as outcasts.


7) We need to do all these things while embracing our Christianity. Do not settle for imitation Christian flavoured theology. We need to be able to go out into the world with Grace and show what it is to be a true Christian. We are one body of Christ. Christ died for all of us.



Kizza
 
Joined in 2010
January 19, 2011, 07:26

It is traditional for many of the conference attendees to volunteer for a service project:


Service Project – Angel Heart

This community volunteering organisation was formed to provide nutritious meals to people and their dependants who are suffering from life threatening illnesses such as cancer, kidney disease and HIV. For this project 8 volunteers from GCN went to help pack and package meals. Over a period of 4 hours, we packaged 450 meals. There were other service projects for which there were GCN volunteers – packing food parcels for the needy and organising a social dance for the elderly



Myfanwe
 
Joined in 2007
January 19, 2011, 16:08

Great stuff, Kizza! Thanks for sharing your notes with us.



Ann Maree
 
Joined in 2008
January 19, 2011, 18:48

Hi Kizza


God found a way to bridge the distance between a cosmic God and a sinful us. Surely we can find a way to be in reconciliation with each other.


Love the above line from the presentation notes!


Thanks for posting this.


Blessings,


Ann Maree



HillsBen
Youth Coordinator
Joined in 2008
January 19, 2011, 22:25

Hi Kizza,


Welcome!! 🙂


Thanks so much for posting the notes. Wish I could’ve been there with you all.



Mr Summit
Chapter Leader
Joined in 2010
January 19, 2011, 23:35

Thanks for the notes. It’s awesome to see more and more high profile Christians being supportive of LGBT people.



Anthony Venn-Brown
 
Joined in 2005
January 20, 2011, 13:55

Loved Philip Yancy’s book “What’s so amazing about grace”


I wonder if there are GCNérs in Sydney and Australia who would like to march with Freedom 2 b[e] in Mardi Gras this year. they would be more than welcome. If you are on the forum Kizza you might like to post about an invite to the Australian group


In 2008 I asked the question on my blog WHO WILL DARE TO BE AUSTRALIA’S PHILIP YANCEY?……I think that question has been answered….by more than one person.


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