Hi deanbrodi

Here are some links to articles that give another view that is quite moderate. These can be found in our support section under faith and religion and biblical perspectives. There are other articles there too that you might find useful.

http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/22914.htm

http://www.freedom2b.org/files/A%20Pastoral%20Response%20to%20Homosexuality%20in%20the%20Church.pdf

http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/20763.htm

You might also enjoy our PM's response in relation to support of marriage equality. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdU3ooAZSH8&sns=fb

I think it's important for a child to have role models in both genders in order to identify with their own gender for ideal development. I do not believe the child has to be living with both genders though. As long as there are nurturing parents and role models to share quality time with the child, I think that is ideal.

I hope that helps.

Blessings,

Ann Maree

Hi Dean

I just moved your response from another thread to keep everything together. Somehow the thread duplicated. It probably happened at my end while I was having some computer troubles.

Anyway, my response above is the longer version of what I originally posted. In the shorter response I only put the pastor's response. Perhaps try the jmm articles in the links above. They may not answer your specific example of a boy being raised by two women. However they speak of another biblical interpretation which you might find useful.

I am reminded of the scripture in Galations 4:28 where it speaks of there being neither male nor female. In many ways I believe it doesn't matter about the gender of our parents. Rather it's about the parenting and whether there was love in the home.

Here are some links to other websites referring to children of LGBTI parents.

http://www.aacap.org/AACAP/Families_and_Youth/Facts_for_Families/Facts_for_Families_Pages/Children_with_Lesbian_Gay_Bisexual_and_Transgender_Parents_92.aspx

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/tick-for-samesex-families-20130605-2npxf.html

Dr Stuart Edser also has posted on the forums here from time to time. Here is the link to recent post from him.

http://www.freedom2b.org/forums/ex-gay-blog-post-t2237/

He has a blog called 'Being Gay and Being Christian'. You could check that out and/or send him a PM if you like. http://beinggaybeingchristian.blogspot.com.au/2013/08/ex-gay-not-way-part-1-psychologist.html

Blessings,

Ann Maree

Hi deanbrodi

Thanks for your post.

In this post I wanted to discuss "God made Adam and Eve – not Adam and Steve which is an interesting one.

It leads to the question – WHO DID GOD Create. What is actually in the bible

Adam and Eve – who had three sons Cain, Abel and Seth.

Thats All we actually know. There are assumptions. Many believe that Eve (Mother of all life) had daughters and brothers and sisters married each other.

However – Leviticus 18 forbids this practise

“‘Do not have sexual relations with your sister, either your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether she was born in the same home or elsewhere"

That leaves us with the interesting Question – are Gods laws on sexual behaviour changeable ? Or WAS it always wrong to have sex with your Sister

More interestingly – there is a Jewish Tradition (see Midrash Rabbah – Genesis VIII:1) that suggests the line "male and female He created them" and believes that in Fact – Adam was Male and Female (Hermaphrodite – or we would call it today – intersexed) and thats how Eve was created – by Separating the Female from the Male. This view is one way to resolve the apparent contradiction between the two versions of the creation of Adam and Eve that are in the bible.

There is another view – that in fact God created more than Adam and Eve. There are hints of this in Genesis 4

Genesis 4:14-16. Cain says he will wander the earth and whoever finds him will kill him. That suggests more than one family is around

Genesis 4:17. Cain finds a wife, and builds the City Enoch. A city again suggests more than his brothers and sister. It suggests a lot of people. (and without trying to read too much into it. It doesnt say – the first city)

Genesis 4:26. “At that time people began to call upon the name of the LORD.” Who are the people "Beginning" to call upon the lord. Seth was after all the Son of Adam and eve.

SO what does all this mean. It means – that we dont know who God created. The Assumption that God Created Adam and Eve only – has problems that contradict other biblical text – and there is a definite Argument that God created Adam as intersexed. Those who argue that God didnt create adam and steve are implying gods laws on sexual behavior DO CHANGE – because they were saying it was OK for Cain and Abel to have sex with their sisters (who arent mentioned by the way) and later God said it wasnt OK – OR God created "Them" – others beside Adam and Eve – in which case – where does the Bible say – he DIDNT create Adam and Steve as well ? We have certainly decided that the bibles view on Slavery need to evolve so its reasonable given what we know now – (given sexuality is not a choice, not to mentions cases like the Intersexed and gender dysphoria) to evolve views on sexuality.

Certainly Homosexuality is Natural – it occurs in many animal species (hence it appears in nature and as such is "Natural") and there are good reasons for that. People once argued the world was flat because the Bible mentions the "4 corners of the earth". We know now the earth is not flat and that taking the bible too literally can be problematic. This is another area where problems occur if you try to pin it down to much. Im not trying to say that one view is right or wrong – but I am saying there are interesting issues with understanding who and how god created humanity and if you believe the bible is the word of God then (as the Jewish tradition says) any ambiguity is there for a reason and its usually then a bad idea to make assumptions and add things to the bible that it actually doesnt say.

It is actually quite possible (not saying he did or didnt) that God DID create Adam and Steve given there is a good argument he created others.

Anyway – I hope this os at least thought provoking.

By strange coincidence

I have on my Facebook feed tonight (posted by a friend) a picture that says

I dont know what people mean when they say

"GOD DIDNT CREATE ADAM and STEVE"

If God created all people

then Adam and Steve are included"

D'uh