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Anthony Venn-Brown
 
Joined in 2005
September 23, 2007, 17:20

Resolving the perceived conflict of faith and sexuality is a difficult path for most people from a traditional/conservative Christian culture. GLBTIQ people from Pentecostal or Charismatic backgrounds have specific needs to be addressed in order to resolve that internal conflict.


GLBTIQ people from Pentecostal or Charismatic churches have been involved in a form of Christianity that is extremely experiential. We have probably sensed the presence of God, seen miracles and healings, enjoyed vibrant worship, spoken in tongues, believed that the Bible is the inspired inerrant Word of God, had prayers answered and been totally committed to Jesus Christ and the church. It has been the foundation not only to our lives but also to our social network. Our identity above everything else has been that we are a Christian.


At some stage, we have believed that homosexuality is against God’s order and we must change in order to fulfill God’s purpose in our lives.

In other words, there are only two options.

1. Be heterosexual and a Christian or

2. Be gay or lesbian and go to hell.

We have prayed and cried out to God to set us free but nothing changed. This creates a psychological dissonance between our faith and our sexuality.

Questions begin to arise in our minds and beliefs take hold such as.

• Why can’t I change my attraction to the same sex?

• Maybe I am just too weak or I don’t have enough faith?

• Why is God ignoring me?

• I am a really bad person.

• Forgiveness is only for those who repent and forsake their sin.

• Something is wrong with me


We may have left the church, been asked to leave or are living a closeted life, struggling, even tormented with the conflict our sexuality has created with our Christian experience.


On the other hand, some of us may have left our Pentecostal or Charismatic lifestyles before coming out, or have not experienced a problem in reconciling our faith and our gender and/or sexuality. Nevertheless, our church background may still be having an impact on us, which is not well understood by those who have not had similar experiences.


We may also be experiencing a degree of alienation in our attempts to integrate with GLBTIQ communities. We may be encountering a degree of hostility or misunderstanding in these communities with regard to Christian faith. Some of us may also experience a degree of discomfort with what we may perceive as the prevailing sexual ethos in GLBTIQ communities, and may think that there is no place for us in such communities.


There are several groups of people from Pentecostal and Charismatic churches that Freedom 2 b(e) can assist. Numbers do not reflect priority as each group is equally important.


Group 1. GLBTIQ people who have left Pentecostal and Charismatic Churches

Freedom 2 b[e] recognises the specific needs of this group who can be particularly vulnerable. Many have lost their social network, having experienced rejection by friends and family. Some who have been employed in Christian organisations may have lost their livelihoods and experienced hostility from employers and/or colleagues. They have a sense of failure and shame as they perceive that they have ‘given in’ to their homosexuality. They have either been exposed and thrown out of the church or have quietly left knowing it is impossible to change and they will never be accepted as they are. Even though they have accepted their homosexuality they may still live with the subconscious belief that they will go to hell.


The results of the internal dissonance affect people in different ways. For gay men that might include self-destructive behaviours such as unsafe sex and substance abuse. Some have been living with a sexual addiction. Gay men and lesbians can have mental health issues such as depression, and be grieving the loss of a sense of ‘family’ or strong community they once found in church. Some may also be dealing with bitterness and resentment towards individuals, the church and God. Many of these people have also been traumatized by the experience of leaving the church and supposedly turning their back on God.


After leaving the church there may be difficulties integrating with GLBTIQ communities, Sometimes resulting in feelings of alienation, isolation and disillusionment. Constructing and coming to terms with a new gender and/or sexual identity and new personal relationships can also be fraught, and may bring some to the point of self-harming behaviours.

The needs:

a) A non-judgemental safe space where they don’t feel there is any agenda except to support them on their journey. All we need to do is listen, not advise or tell them what they should do. If they ask questions then it’s appropriate to respond with information that can help them which may include our personal stories.

b) Connection with other GLBTIQ from the same background that reduces the sense of isolation and that they are the only ones that have had this experience.

c) Other resources/information/referrals such as common interest, crisis and support groups.


Group 2. GLBTIQ people in Pentecostal and Charismatic Churches who are not out

The majority at this time are closeted or live in a ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ culture and therefore have specific needs. The dissonance for most of these people is the most intense as they are still living in the world that creates the dissonance. This also makes this group particularly vulnerable. We know that in just one Pentecostal church in Melbourne, over a two-year period, three young men killed themselves. The issue – their homosexuality.

The needs:

a) A non-judgemental safe space

b) Confidentiality

c) Theological resources

d) Advocacy

e) Connection with other GLBTIQ believers

f) Other resources/information/referrals such as common interest, crisis and support groups.


Group 3. GLBTIQ people in Pentecostal and Charismatic Churches who are out

This group needs lots of encouragement and support, as they are the trailblazers who will make a difference for future generations.

The needs:

a) A non-judgemental safe space

b) Support

c) Theological resources

d) Connection with other GLBTIQ believers

e) Other resources/information/referrals such as common interest, crisis and support groups.


Group 4. GLBTIQ people from other Christian denominations

Everyone is welcome at Freedom 2 b(e). Some from other church backgrounds might enjoy the sense of community that we are creating and want to connect with like-minded people.

The needs:

a) A non-judgemental safe space

b) Support

c) Theological resources

d) Connection with other GLBTIQ believers

e) Other resources/information/referrals such as common interest, crisis and support groups.


Group 5. GLBTIQ people from Pentecostal/Charismatic backgrounds who are exploring alternative spiritual paths or have integrated parts of their previous belief system with their new spirituality.

The needs:

a) A non-judgemental safe space

b) Support

c) Connection with other GLBTIQ people

d) Other resources/information/referrals such as common interest, crisis and support groups.


Group 6. Heterosexual Friends, Family and Supporters

As GLBTIQ people, we are a minority group. GLBTIQ people from Pentecostal and Charismatic backgrounds are a very small subset. We welcome all heterosexuals from the same background who are genuinely seeking to understand or through the relationships with people they love or their own research, have come to see that the churches traditional beliefs on homosexuality and gender issues are unfounded, unjust and not in harmony with the concept of a loving Creator. Freedom 2 b[e] welcomes their contribution and support at events, forums and assisting with advocacy.

The needs:

a) Support

b) Theological resources, books and research information

c) Our stories

d) Other resources/information/referrals such as common interest, crisis and support groups

e) Confidence in the integrity of Freedom 2 b[e]


Your comments are welcome


thanks


Anthony, Sue, Phill, Terese and Paul

Freedom 2 b[e] Board



dmusicguy
 
Joined in 2005
September 23, 2007, 19:18

Howdy all – I posted this in the general discussions area but also thought it belonged in here… This forum is a great idea and certainly gives an insight into the fact that there are many from these backgrounds around!!


I read the target market post by avb – spot on!! Love the idea about a ‘non-judgmental safe space’ and the opportunity to connect… As for myself, several years ago, I had started coming out in a mainstream church and it can be a very isolating experience! Especially when you are in the ministry side of things or ‘out the front’ (music) or whatever – your right to be there gets questioned and really shows where the support is and isn’t.


Of course change needs to happen largely from the inside but without support structures its hard to be motivated to stay… Our biggest allies are friends and family who stay in these environments as they ‘get it’ and will stick up for justice, and give us a much-needed voice!!



Anthony Venn-Brown
 
Joined in 2005
September 23, 2007, 22:01

thanks for the encouragement dmusicguy….hope to catch up with you when i’m in Melbourne.



j38323832j
 
Joined in 2006
September 24, 2007, 01:25

Well, what an interesting discussion. I don’t often enter into this group because of time commitments elsewhere, but I felt very drawn to this. Although I am not from a Charismatic background (in fact The Salvation Army frowns upon it) I can identify with it. I have spoken in tongues; I have witnessed miracles; I miss the network, friendships, worship especially.

It has been 7 years last month since I came out, leaving a wife, three children, church leadership, church job, friends and family. I spent the first 4 years having to go back into the closet, so to speak, in this community because the power that the SA wields here. Every time I went for a job, they crushed it. Every time I thought I was making headway with my kids, they tried to undo it.

Now I am in a relationship for 6.75 years. We have had our ups and downs. But my kids now have two dads, and they love us both. They have a mother who is not supportive of us; but our relationship continues to heal.

As for the church; my kids remain only because it’s a social setting for them. They hate it there. They hate the judgementalism. My eldest daughter, now 19, wrote an article almost two years ago about the process for her. I would love to share it with anyone. I have written a couple as well.

Recently I did a workshop with Landmark Education which made a huge impact on my life. It is not a “spiritual” or “religious” or “cult” thing. But that’s where it had some real impact for me. I learned in a powerful way that my Creator made me in HIS image. And because that is so, I am whole and a wonderful creation. So what that I’m gay! That isn’t who I am…it’s just what I like to do. Who I am is loving, caring, healing, and creative and a whole lot more. I have found a new peace in my life. I have the “miracle” that I have always wanted…and my God is very much a part of it, even if The Salvation Army, Pentecostal movement, or others are not.

My hope for “the church” is that they will one day see the things that I know about the translation of the Bible. My hope is that one day they will have enough peace in themselves to realize that God IS love; not judgement and hell fire and brimstone. My hope is that one day I will be able to go to church again with my children, grandchildren, and the new children that my partner and I are planning to have, and worship in REAL freedom.

Is that too much to pray for? I don’t think so? How about you?


Blessings, peace and healing

James Latour

Nanaimo, BC Canada



Anthony Venn-Brown
 
Joined in 2005
September 24, 2007, 08:24

Hey James…..great to have your share your story.


can I ask a favour please. could you cut and paste this and put it in the telling our stories section of the forum. More people will get to read it there. You’ll see in the guidelines some suggestions of what to put in the subject line.


thanks……hope to hear more from you.


it was a personal development course that helped me sort out spirituality for me as well.



Perky69
 
Joined in 2006
September 26, 2007, 02:11

I’m impressed by your analysis and clear presentation. I have an idea.

I’m a Christian in south of England who left an Evangelical church because of persistent teachings about homosexuality. So I’m alone (with Christ) with my faith.

As a youth I went through praying / laying on of hands for cure etc to loose my gay feelings. It did not one jot of good. I found many wonderful God’s blessings when with a boy friend later on. God cares for relations and not sexual orientation.

As I left my church I pointed out that of the many young people in the church some would probably be gay / become gay. It was a concern that with the church leaders clear teaching they would go through the misery that I did. It is not what God wants. I read of many who commit suicide as a result. How many more must go through years of serious depression (spoiling their lives) and even complete breakdowns unecessarily.

My idea is for some bright member to gather statistics about young guys who have breakdowns and suicides because of such misleadings. This information should be authorised and sent to all Anglican and Evangelical ministers in the country. I bet they have no idea the damage they do.

John Gibbs

Dorset UK

[email protected]



magsdee
Disabled
Joined in 2006
September 26, 2007, 15:34

Perky69, I would love to think that the leadership of churches would take notice of the stats. Im sure some would but many would explain it away and just say what a pity about those souls, but!!!!!!!!!!!


Its sad, so sad, that people just dont want to understand and act so hard, all we can do is pray and just keep doing what we are doing, the bubble has to burst one day.

I do think that a gathering of stats is great idea and believe there may be some about already.



Anthony Venn-Brown
 
Joined in 2005
September 30, 2007, 10:17

I believe that there is research being done on that at the moment but not available yet. More needs to be done.


I’ve kept much information from readers. I am keeping a track of the suicides I know of here in churches in Australia. its difficult as often a person doesn’t leave a note etc as there struggle has been private. I recently found out about a 16 year old who put his head on railway track in Sydney to commit suicide. The thing is that this happened nearly 16 years ago……..and only now we’ve found out he was gay. How many are there like that…..and if we let the information out what will that do to the family who have already suffered grief and lost…….they might not even know there son was gay themselves.



magsdee
Disabled
Joined in 2006
September 30, 2007, 18:50

Its probably a good thing we dont know everything Anthony, it would just be too sad and just anger stirring. I didnt know there wasnt any completed research yet. I wonder but hope with that done that maybe most people will sit up and take notice. Something has to change and it may take something big or big lots of information in the form of stats.



Myfanwe
 
Joined in 2007
October 10, 2007, 16:44

I like the document and think that is is very well written. I’m also enjoying the discussion here.


I feel that the change we’re all praying for is now inevitable with more and more people, not just in Australia, but all around the world, finding the courage to speak up and speak out about faith and sexuality.


It seems to me as though every week, I am finding more information online, and more churches which are looking to embrace a more inclusive and emergent approach to worship.


It’s been a long time coming, but I truly believe it is underway, even now. So much so I am starting a church of my own on the strength of it!


Blessings

Maggie


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