lol Hey yeh!!!!!!!! I wonder how popular it would get wink

Your right Anthony, who has been brought up with a completely correct perception of God and what makes us think, we have a completely correct perception of God now? There will always be flaws found somewhere.

Every religion based on the Bible in some way can prove that “they” have it right, yet how many break offs are there “didnt Paul say a person should by faith do or not do what he believes is right, like to one eating pork will be sin yet to another it wont, yet neither are in the wrong”? he only used food as an example, Peter was only given food as an example yet it also implied people, so could it be that Pauls inclusion of food applies to other things too just like Peter had on the roof? I do believe so yes, all within the boundaries of love and respect and honour.

Raskdog said:

‘Did they hold a gun to your head?’

No. But what part of ‘excommunication’ don’t you understand?

Raskdog said:

‘See to me that is bisexuality. A woman would not satisfy me for a day let alone 3 years.’

Raskdog it’s really quite superfluous what anyone thinks my experience was. It was my experience and it’s far too late to change it now. The fact that I’m prepared to speak honestly about it on a blog in an effort to help you and other readers understand another perspective is my right. The fact that you don’t understand is also your right. I have never been bisexual.

Raskdog said:

“…I hope the collective “you” realises that for us gay guys who have battled loneliness and isolation all our lives you often come across as superficial and arrogant.”

You appear to use the word arrogant quite freely Raskdog. Superficial? Please forgive me. Coming to terms with being gay at a mature age has been so intensely difficult that I lost my career and financial stability, almost all my friends and family support. I’ve been dangerously close to suicide. Strangely enough, I’ve also battled loneliness and isolation all my life.

Yet like you I’ve had the guts to be honest about my life on this blog and debate my own point of view. Perhaps we can cut the personal criticism?

Kit

I guess here is a situation where our wording can come across the wrong way, I know I have had that happen too. I hope you both can sort this through ok.

We need to be sensitive to someone elses journey and even if we dont understand the whys of what they did, just accept that it was where they were at, at that time. We all deal with pressure and stress differently.

Marriage was my fast-track way of escaping my living hell (of being a sex object to men in the church) and complying with the expectations of my ‘well-meaning’ mentors. I never imagined that one day I would publicly admit I was gay. I never imagined it could be possible. Now everything is different

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Fair enough. That must have been very hard to deal with. It’s the attitude that a lot of married gay men have that somehow they were victims of society and forced into marriage that irks me. What it’s basically saying is that they had it harder than guys who never married. Excuse me, but what a load of rot. There are plenty of gay guys, including myself, that grew up in an extremely hostile environment and didn’t get married. I endured ten years of isolation as a single Christian man before I came out, including three spent living by myself in a foreign culture as part of a mission group(WEC). And not only that gay married men feel they somehow deserve medals for finally coming out. Even though they reaped the benefits of family and financial security before they did so.

I think it is healthier to focus on our common ground, not our differences.

True but I think it is also healthy for ex-marrieds to realise that the more accepting world that they have come out to is a result of years of tribulation by men who refused to conform to society.

I have to say that it annoys me when people who come out as gay after being married and having kids who complain about how hard it was for them to do. Cry me a river. At least they’ve had the best of both worlds. It takes a lot more courage, integrity and honesty to come out before you are married and give up the dream of ever having children and committing yourself to a life of possible loneliness rather than living dishonesty and hurting people in the process. A friend of mine is divorced with four kids and two grandkids always talks about how hard it was for him. It really gets on my nerves. I feel like telling him, “Shut up. I would give anything to have kids and one day grandkids.

Thoughts?

My first reaction was why would you be upset. I can see your perspective though to be honest. We all make decisions based on what is infront of us. I was lucky that I saw a marriage breakdown because the hubby who I felt was gay was actually gay and divorced and moved out… that shifted my undestanding and made me choose not to marry and put someone though this… really each of us are a by-product of what we know and so forth… count your blessings one by one is a song that comes to my mind.

Its a no win situation really. Who knows what’s the results only God knows and although it looks messy and crazy – just maybe its exactly what God wants to happen so that it brings many back to God. Hmmmm we we only see in small bits and not the big picture.

I actually admire people who do come out rather than stay in an unhealthy situation or have come out but choose to remain in marriage or remain married till the partner goes and then persue a life with the same sex.

Hmmmm Im responding to this first message and then will read the others perspective.

ta

Craig.