if you are heterosexual then I wonder what you are doing in here…….the only thing I can come up with is that you are trying to convert us and show us ‘the error of our ways’.

What am I doing here?? Do you want gay people to be a part of the wider community or just run a club? If you want your views to be accepted then you have to be open to discuss them. I’m not here to judge because I have my own sin but what I am interested in is understanding how you have come to your conclusions. From what I’ve read in this forum so far I believe the doctrine it’s build on is unsound. I’ve looked at your website and all it says is a few claims about homosexuality not being a sin and doesn’t define what parts of homosexuality aren’t a sin and what the foundation of your belief is. You have the potential for seriously misguiding people without fully explaining your beliefs. If you want any chance of your views being accepted I suggest you make it a bit more clear.

I still don’t see how it can’t be. If you want the church’s view on homosexuality to change then you’re going to need much more solid evidence than that. For you to explain it properly you have to explain the doctrine you’re basing it on. From what I’ve read (and correct me if I’m wrong), it looks like you think nothing in the law should be considered sin anymore and if it’s not mentioned in the NT then it’s not a sin. Using that logic you could also say that incest and beastiality aren’t a sin, as long as it feels natural.

To say something is natural means it’s in your nature, correct? But we all know that we have sin in our nature as well, so to say it’s ok because it’s natural is clearly flawed.

The one thing I will say to you Bruce is that I have enough evidence to convince me in regards to scripture and also since having been a bible student had learnt the way in which we should look at the documents of the bible in context according to history and translation, it doesnt steal from the word of God just brings clarity. If anything it has actually brought me closer to God. )

For some they cant see what we see and just because you cant see it doesnt mean that it is wrong. Their are plenty of people who believe that speaking in tongues is long dead and will have relevant scripture to prove that point and others who say its still functional today and have relevant scripture to prove that point. So if you cant see what we see then it is pointless you debating the whys and wheres. You are where you are at in the Lord and we are where we are at.

We are all responsible for our own selves before God. I dont follow Anthony as if he is a guru, he is a friend, what I have discovered I discovered for myself and freedom 2b was a place i could openly discuss it and get a bigger picture on the matter, get support and not be rejected for questioning where I was at. It would be silly to presume he is misleading people when all he has done is made a platform for discussion and support. From there its up to everyone to make up their own minds with the information given.

You obviously have a limited knowledge about certain things and from that limitation you are making presumptions. (no disrespect intended, its only an observation).

do you post on signposts Bruce?

thanks frogger…….I thougth the arguements were sounding a little familiar……even tired……I really don’t mind giving time to people in genuine need……like last night in the emergency ward of a hospital with another person who decided to end his life because he is gay and for so long other christians in chruches have told him that makes him somehow less of a person.

I dont mind devoting time helping some young christian gay boy or lesbian come to understand that God loves them as they are……but to spend my precious hours arguing with a heterosexual person who is already convinced we are sick sinful people is not the way i plan to use this precious thing God gave me called life.

if this is what you do in your spare time Bruce and are so devoted to getting on forums and arguing, then I think you seriously need to get some professional help…..you have a problem. if on the other hand, it is that you have too much time on your hands…..I suggest you get out there in the community Jesus died for and feed the homeless. Do something useful that will serve others and serve God.