LOL, I actually told Adam it was ok to post on Jeff if he really felt strongly about it… I should have remembered that when you give Adam an inch he takes a mile… or twelve! 😆

No hard feelings it was written in the spirit of sharing and misplaced humour. Probably better for around the coffee table than a public forum but not the end of the world.

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Hi Sandy,

Its been very interesting reading through posts that so many people have put up on various issues on this site. You can really get a glimpse into each members personality.

In many of your posts, especialy in this discussion primarily between you, William and Kit you often refer to “homo-erotic” behavior and the bible condeming it. I read your last post and in it you talked a little about the differences between “homosexuality” and “homo-erotic”. I had a few questions on your views so I could better understand where you are coming from. Ok, so here is a list of questions.

1. As I understand it, you are a lesbian right? You choose however not to persue an intimate encounter or relationship with another woman?

2. When you refer to homo-erotic behavior, are you refering to sex?

3. What are the bible verses you are refering to that condemn an intimate relationship (or sex) between a monogomous gay couple?

I am just curious because you constanly refer back to the bible stating that God condemns “homo-erotic” behavior……

Every verse or passage I have read in the bible when really interpreted correctly doesnt mention anything about a loving commited relationship between a gay couple.

If there is I would really love to know. I am curious as to your interpretations of what ever scriptures you are refering to that justify your stance on an intimate homosexual relationship.

John

Hi John,

I have posted on what identifying as a lesbian means but I can’t for the life of me remember where it is. Basically, I am attracted to women so if thats what you mean then yes I am ‘lesbian’. However, outside of this site I don’t usually identify myself as ‘lesbian’ or ‘gay’ because the terms are so static. To say you are something indicates that there is no hope of change and the jury is still out on the change issue for me. I use “gay” on this site because saying “I am a women who is attracted to other women and thinks that maybe people can change” is too long and detracts from the intention of most of my posts. Yes I choose not to pursue sexual or romantic relationships theoretically, I am sinful and we all slip occasionally.

By homo-erotic I mean anything of an erotic nature that involves two people of the same-sex. That could mean the physical act of sex, any types of foreplay including kissing and lusting or fantasizing about someone of the same sex. These things are all erotic in nature. Eroticism is more in the intention than the act, I kiss my mum and my sister all the time but my intentions towards them are not erotic in nature.

It always amuses me when people ask me what verses I am referring to. It’s like the people who realize your gay and say “Haven’t you read Romans 1?” As if any person who has ever struggled with their sexuality and God could possibly miss it! Anyway back to the point, I am referring to the heterosexual marriage emphasis in Genesis, the ‘clobber passages’ of Romans 1:18-32, 1Corinthians:6:9-11 and 1Timothy 1:9-11. I guess it depends on what you mean by “really interpreted”. I believe these passages when “really interpreted” serve to condemn all gay relationships, monogamous or otherwise. I understand you are probably convinced that there were same-sex relationships among key figures in the bible and that is where you get your ‘monogamy makes a difference’ argument but then I would suggest that you have not “really interpreted” the passages.

There are millions of books out there that deal with the validity of different interpretations, if you are further interested in the conservative view I suggest you pick one up. These books are hundreds of pages long and it would be unwise of me to imagine I could condense their arguments sufficiently into a ‘post length’ size.

I agree no argument is 100%, I would never say one was. I take a conservative stance because it is the most convicting to me, I still have a lot of unanswered questions. However my argument goes if there isn’t 100% evidence that homosexuality is or isn’t a sin then are gay people justified in having relationships based on that ignorance? Is the motivation selfish because we WANT a relationship even if we are not 100% certain we should be in one?

I asked myself these questions and had a bit of a crisis trying to figure out the answer. In the end singleness and celibacy is 100% not a sin no matter what way you look at it and there is a very real possibility that a gay relationship could be even if we are not 100% sure. For my motives and intentions to be clear and free of selfish pursuit I have to do what is 100% ok with God and until such time as I am convicted otherwise that means singleness and celibacy.

I guess one could view the bible as historically relative and the concepts such as the ones on homosexuality are outdated but then it would beg the question how do you see the bible? The word of God or a historical account by a bunch of old Jewish guys? It’s always interesting to note the vast majority of pro-gay people do not see the bible as God’s word no matter what interpretation they put on the passages.

😆 😆 😆 @ joyce meyers comment!!! 😆

Their is a Christian Feminist book? 😯 gee where have I been?