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Ann Maree
 
Joined in 2008
October 14, 2011, 17:56

Hi Brunski


Happy birthday for Wed! 🙂 Glad you had a good night.


I’m wondering about the uncertainty and what that feels like for you.. BTW, you don’t have to answer that unless you want to. I meant it more as something to reflect on.


Have a great weekend.


Blessings,


Ann Maree



Mother Hen
 
Joined in 2011
October 14, 2011, 23:25

Happy Birthday to you

Happy Birthday to you

Happy Birthday dear Brunski

Happy Birthday to you


Hip hip hurray :bigsmile:


I know I’m a dag, :p kids tell me all the time, but hey I was born that way :bigsmile:



Brunski
 
Joined in 2005
October 14, 2011, 23:33

Hi Ann Maree,


thank you! yeah it was good until I had a seizure on my way home, did I mention that? not sure if I did, I got into a “fight” well not really a fight, just accidently bumped into some yobbos on George street here in Sydney, they were drunk and I apologised for accidently bumping into him, but he just wanted an excuse to show how mucho he was in front of his mates. He started swearing at me and pushing and shoving, I feel to the ground and tried getting up and everything spinning around and then the next thing I remember is Ambos trying to stick in needle in my arm and thousand people staring at me … so apart from that, it was a great birthday night out :~


The uncertainty is freaking me out lol but its just another thing I need to work through.

Thanks hope you have a great weekend also.


Blessings,


Brunski



Ann Maree
 
Joined in 2008
October 15, 2011, 13:47

Hi Brunski


Oh no – you poor thing – and on your birthday! Luckily you are OK though. Did a bystander call the ambulance?


Honestly what’s wrong with some people that they have to push others around? I just don’t get it.


I’m wondering what makes you uncertain about this relationship..


Blessings,


Ann Maree



Mother Hen
 
Joined in 2011
October 15, 2011, 20:30

That is terrible Brunski, so glad you are ok. Don’t let them have the satisfaction of bringing you down, you showed you were a better person than them.


Along Ann Marie’s line of questioning, again don’t answer just for you to ponder, I’m wondering if you are projecting your own feeling of insecurities, self esteem and self worth about yourself onto the relationship. When we don’t love ourselves it can be hard to accept others’ love for us, with no conditions, just for who we are.


I’m sure you will work it out, one step at a time.


God Bless



Brunski
 
Joined in 2005
October 15, 2011, 21:52

Hi Ann Maree,


I’m okay thanks, it was just one of those things, it almost makes you want to stay home and not go out into the city, geeze! I’m not sure who called the Ambulance.

Well sometimes people just loose it when they are drunk or a little tipsy, they just want to be all mucho in front of their mates and stuff, thats the Aussie way isn’t it? :~


What makes me uncertain about this relationship is just that I dont know this guy that long, we have only been together for about 4 months and as I told Forester (I think that’s his name here on this forum) lol I know that there are “many” Asian guys (I guess not just Asian’s) who come here looking for residency and use us “older” Caucasians and once they get their residency, they are off! Having said that, I think Tom is different, but I cant be sure … maybe Im just being paranoid. There is a “large age difference” between us, he is 25 (I think) I’ve just turned 42! I guess I could be his father, or perhaps not, but almost. I keep asking myself, why the hell would he be interested in me anyway? Im not exactly good looking unlike him :p He tells me he “loves me” because I have a “kind heart” I am “affectionate, compassionate and considerate” and thats why he “loves me” he isnt interested in “my money” too bad if he was because I aint got much :bigsmile: He assures me that he doesnt care about “my looks” and just likes me personality and gentle nature … its enough to make a grown man blush 0:) Of course the other problem is that I am not totally out and I guess deep down still fighting with my “demons” and long standing negative beliefs about homosexuals … and not really accepting my sexuality or still hoping there is a “way out” because there is still that part of me that thinks its wrong, evil, unnatural, sinful … to be gay.


Maybe I’m just scared of any kind of commitment, I have also never really lived with anyone other then my parents (not living with anymore) :p so the idea of living with someone kind of worries me, I did that for several weeks with a friend who had no where to go, so I let him stay with me for a few days, which ended up being a few weeks and it was all bliss in the beginning, the whole sex/intimacy was great but once that was over, we would get on each others nerves and I soon realised that the guy I was living with was not who I thought he was and things kind of went down hill from there. I did the same thing with another guy I met not that long ago, he was asked to move out and had nowhere to go and guess what? I let him stay with me because I “couldnt leave him out in the street” he assured me it would just be for a few days, a week max. But it ended up being about 6 weeks. It was nice having someone around, but he basically just used me and decided to move out once he found his very own “sugar daddy” I was heart broken because I became very close to him. Thats the story of my gay life, I meet people, “fall in love” with them and then they leave or use me … and I am left heart broken :((


I am probably worried the same thing will happen if Tom and I “take the next step” whatever that is. Sometimes people “change” once they live with someone. As you can tell I am still just a “babe” when it comes to relationships, Anyway …


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Brunski
 
Joined in 2005
October 15, 2011, 21:52

Yes, Mother Hen, I am probably protecting myself from my own insecurities and self-esteem. I am “pretty sure” Tom loves me, but I cant help but wonder, if he was a resident of Australia, then Im sure things would be different (well at least I think they would be) its the whole, “is he just using me to get residency ?” thing, “will he still love me (assuming he really does) if I cant sponsor him?” and if he does and if I do manage to sponsor him, “am I really ready for a relationship? wouldn’t that mean having to come out to “everyone” and what if being gay is an abomination, what if I have been lead stray by “false teachers” and “wolves in sheep’s clothing” those who claim its okay to be gay and Christian?


And even if it is okay to be gay and Christian, am I ready for a relationship? I guess only I can answer that. If only I was out, life would probably be a lot easier well, maybe not because the vast majority of my Christian friends and more importantly, my family wouldnt accept it. I can hear my mother already, “you have given into Satan!” or “your demon possessed, you have a demon of perversion and a demon of homosexuality within you!” Then there is my dad (old school, Italian “catholic”) he would be yelling at the top of his lungs “you are a disgrace to the family” I remember attempting to come to him when he caught me looking at gay porn and that was his precise words, he went on to say that if I am he wants nothing to do with me … but why the hell do I care anyway? Im not a kid anymore :~ or perhaps, deep down I still am.


Sorry, these have been LONG post’s :O



iplantolive
 
Joined in 2008
October 16, 2011, 21:09

** Yawn ** … Is it Summer yet? … time to come out of my self-imposed hibernation :bigsmile: Now I know what Bears must go through 😉


A (very belated!) welcome from moi Brunski. I have been following your journey … and empathise with your situation. I second what others including Ann Maree and Mother Hen have said … I think it’s very much a case of loving who you are for what you are … and that is a person created in the image of a God who cares for you very deeply … irrespective of what other people might think, say or do …



Ann Maree
 
Joined in 2008
October 17, 2011, 11:47

Hi Brunski


Thanks for your reply.


The thing that concerns me is that Tom is expecting a lot of you by sponsoring him. I mean, it’s a big thing to ask of anyone but especially in this case when you’re not out, you’re uncomfortable with your sexuality, inexperienced in relationships, not used to living with others and haven’t known him long. And given your history of attracting guys who have used you, I’d be very wary. Remember it’s not your job to rescue this guy or anyone else.. And what do you suppose would happen if you didn’t sponsor Tom, and are you afraid to find out? If so, that might tell you that his motives are to stay in the country rather than solely being with you.


I hope you don’t misunderstand: I’m not suggesting he’s a bad person or that he doesn’t care for you. And the age gap may signify he’s looking for a father figure or someone to look after him. That might make you feel even more pulled into rescuing him or it might make you feel needed in the short term but resentful in the long term. It’s worth considering what keeps you in this situation. I imagine it’s nice to hear the compliments Tom gives you and I’m sure they’re true. So there’s a pay off for you. And perhaps he’s not interested in your money (or lack thereof) but that doesn’t mean he’s not trying to find a way to stay in the country.


I wonder If he found another way to stay in Australia whether you would still be together.. It sounds like you have already pondered that yourself, judging by your response to Mother Hen where you say: “if he was a resident of Australia, then I’m sure things would be different”.


I hope you don’t mind my thoughts on this and please disregard them if you think they don’t apply. Of course I could be wrong since I don’t know Tom and am not in your situation.


One way or another, I believe you’ll work it out in the end though.


Blessings,


Ann Maree



Mother Hen
 
Joined in 2011
October 17, 2011, 12:41

You bring up some very good points Ann Marie and I commend you in being forthright it saying them. It can be hard to know how far to go and what to say in these situations.


Some other thoughts I’ve had for a few days Brunski is what do you want? Can you see yourself in a long term relationship with Tom? You mentioned he wasn’t a Christian, does that bother you, do you want someone to share your life that is a Christian? Did you know Tom could only remain in Australia for a certain period in time? If so why did you get into this relationship? Again not for you to answer on the forum but maybe some things to think about.


Hope you don’t mind me challenging you a bit either. 🙂 I just want to see you happy and confident in who you are. 😀


God Bless.


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